Obama camp scrubs website to remove references to “mandatory” community service

[ping1970]

Re: Obama camp scrubs website to remove references to “mandatory” community service

Cindy, I know you are hung up on the word required, but really it is just a word in this sense. As sweepers we are required to meet certain regulations or we can't win a prize ~ this is the same thing. If you don't meet the 'REQUIREMENTS' then you don't get the money (i.e. prize) in the Cracker Jack box...it is YOUR choice to do the requirement...no one is going to be deported if they don't volunteer.

I see evil in most things/people government and I really don't see it here. Sorry.

 

[tharedhead]

Re: Obama camp scrubs website to remove references to “mandatory” community service

Our church "mandated" 40 hours of volunteerism for confirmation, and I stood up to the priest on this issue.

(Religious trivia footnote....In order to become a proper Sufi you have to work 1,100 days in a soup kitchen! At least if you marry a Sufi they will know how to cook.)

 

[ping1970]

Re: Obama camp scrubs website to remove references to “mandatory” community service

Our church "mandated" 40 hours of volunteerism for confirmation, and I stood up to the priest on this issue.

(Religious trivia footnote....In order to become a proper Sufi you have to work 1,100 days in a soup kitchen! At least if you marry a Sufi they will know how to cook.)

Good to know for when Jimmie finally chucks me to the side of the road ~ lol!

 

[lidarkside]

Re: Obama camp scrubs website to remove references to “mandatory” community service

I honestly think this topic has become redundant.

"Mandated" servitude in the public schools has been a part of the legislation for educational mandates under both parties that both support the same mandates for quite some time now.

George Bush - "America 2000"
Bill Clinton - "Goals 2000"
George W. Bush - "No Child Left Behind"

It's the same piece of legislation that both parties support and simply change the name when a new president gets elected just to make the American people believe otherwise. Obviously, it's working.

It's already moving into the public school system. The schools that do have it require so many hours of this forced community service with no way to opt out and nothing in return. This mandated servitude is also required in socialist and communist countries.

 

[cinphi]

Re: Obama camp scrubs website to remove references to “mandatory” community service

Cindy, I know you are hung up on the word required, but really it is just a word in this sense. As sweepers we are required to meet certain regulations or we can't win a prize ~ this is the same thing. If you don't meet the 'REQUIREMENTS' then you don't get the money (i.e. prize) in the Cracker Jack box...it is YOUR choice to do the requirement...no one is going to be deported if they don't volunteer.

I see evil in most things/people government and I really don't see it here. Sorry.

Tam I just don't like the use of that word coming from our next POTUS and as I said neither did they cause it was changed. I try to see good in things and not evil.

The day your government requires you to serve is the day your government is controlling your choices. Honestly I don't like serving man in this manner. I will serve God and I will volunteer for anything but I don't like being told what I can serve or who.

 

[gosweepwin]

Re: Obama camp scrubs website to remove references to “mandatory” community service

Throwing in my 2 cents:

Obama was elected largely on the power of his words. His current word choices are worrisome to those who did not vote for him.

He has recently spoken of the time when he will "rule" and has suggested that the people will be asked (or mandated) to "serve". As our nation's highest ranking public servant, he could have made better word choices. Substituting "lead" for "rule" is a minor change, but one that implies that he is of the people, not over them. Maybe that's what he meant to say, I don't know.

In any event, he is under intense scrutiny and needs to be careful with what he says. Better for him to be clear the first time rather than generating constant debates about what we think he may have meant.

 

[ping1970]

Re: Obama camp scrubs website to remove references to “mandatory” community service

*sorry this looks weird, but I tried to put in a laughing smiley at the end and it erased my whole post ~ I have a migraine and I wasn't going to wrestle with it again...

Quote from: cin on Today at 09:43:39
Quote from: ping1970 on Today at 07:07:56
Cindy, I know you are hung up on the word required, but really it is just a word in this sense. As sweepers we are required to meet certain regulations or we can't win a prize ~ this is the same thing. If you don't meet the 'REQUIREMENTS' then you don't get the money (i.e. prize) in the Cracker Jack box...it is YOUR choice to do the requirement...no one is going to be deported if they don't volunteer.

I see evil in most things/people government and I really don't see it here. Sorry.


Tam I just don't like the use of that word coming from our next POTUS and as I said neither did they cause it was changed. I try to see good in things and not evil.



I don't trust any man that is in public office ~ none of them. There are to many people with their hands out and their pockets full and all it will take is the right offer...so I consider it to be a paid job with better paying benefits (if) the person is willing...not all are I guess, but on the most part I think most government officials are corrupt!


Quote from: cin on Today at 09:43:39

The day your government requires you to serve is the day your government is controlling your choices. Honestly I don't like serving man in this manner. I will serve God and I will volunteer for anything but I don't like being told what I can serve or who.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
But once again, it isn't a requirement...it is only going to be a requirement if you want the benefit offered. Otherwise, no harm, no foul. There isn't going to be any punishment for not doing it. If there was I would be right there with you.

Whether we like him or not, Obama is going to be president...and he is so young and doesn't have the experience that most of the others that are in office do, but the man is only human and he is going to make mistakes. I don't think it is going to do anyone good to rack him over the coals over this. The press will cover what they want to and yes, everyone can find someone that agrees with their point of view, this is the internet. But I can bet you that on the flip side that there are an equal amount of people that just love this policy and can't wait for it to be put in effect so they can help the cause.

If McCain had been elected they would be pouring over everything that he has ever said also and doing the same things ~ it is a free country with free speech so there will never be a dull moment with this. All I know is that I am so tired from all of the election who-ha and I am so glad that it is over that I could scream, but if everyone keeps debating everything Obama has ever said in his whole life apart it is going to make what could be a long 4 years seem that much longer! 2012 is a long, long way off!

I do understand that where people could think this was a stepping stone to something else, but I really don't think so. I consider myself pretty fair and I think this isn't an unreasonable thing. I don't think there is a 'master plan' at work here...and I see conspiracy theories everywhere anymore:laughing:

 

[cinphi]

Re: Obama camp scrubs website to remove references to “mandatory” community service

*sorry this looks weird, but I tried to put in a laughing smiley at the end and it erased my whole post ~ I have a migraine and I wasn't going to wrestle with it again...

Quote from: cin on Today at 09:43:39
Quote from: ping1970 on Today at 07:07:56
Cindy, I know you are hung up on the word required, but really it is just a word in this sense. As sweepers we are required to meet certain regulations or we can't win a prize ~ this is the same thing. If you don't meet the 'REQUIREMENTS' then you don't get the money (i.e. prize) in the Cracker Jack box...it is YOUR choice to do the requirement...no one is going to be deported if they don't volunteer.

I see evil in most things/people government and I really don't see it here. Sorry.


Tam I just don't like the use of that word coming from our next POTUS and as I said neither did they cause it was changed. I try to see good in things and not evil.



I don't trust any man that is in public office ~ none of them. There are to many people with their hands out and their pockets full and all it will take is the right offer...so I consider it to be a paid job with better paying benefits (if) the person is willing...not all are I guess, but on the most part I think most government officials are corrupt!


Quote from: cin on Today at 09:43:39

The day your government requires you to serve is the day your government is controlling your choices. Honestly I don't like serving man in this manner. I will serve God and I will volunteer for anything but I don't like being told what I can serve or who.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
But once again, it isn't a requirement...it is only going to be a requirement if you want the benefit offered. Otherwise, no harm, no foul. There isn't going to be any punishment for not doing it. If there was I would be right there with you.

Whether we like him or not, Obama is going to be president...and he is so young and doesn't have the experience that most of the others that are in office do, but the man is only human and he is going to make mistakes. I don't think it is going to do anyone good to rack him over the coals over this. The press will cover what they want to and yes, everyone can find someone that agrees with their point of view, this is the internet. But I can bet you that on the flip side that there are an equal amount of people that just love this policy and can't wait for it to be put in effect so they can help the cause.

If McCain had been elected they would be pouring over everything that he has ever said also and doing the same things ~ it is a free country with free speech so there will never be a dull moment with this. All I know is that I am so tired from all of the election who-ha and I am so glad that it is over that I could scream, but if everyone keeps debating everything Obama has ever said in his whole life apart it is going to make what could be a long 4 years seem that much longer! 2012 is a long, long way off!

I do understand that where people could think this was a stepping stone to something else, but I really don't think so. I consider myself pretty fair and I think this isn't an unreasonable thing. I don't think there is a 'master plan' at work here...and I see conspiracy theories everywhere anymore:laughing:

Of course it is your choice to see this whole thing as you like. Perhaps it's his inexperience that causes him to say such things. Of course he got elected but he is the one who will change a lot of things. I am sure you can see requirement any way you please. Once again I and he did not like the wording.

Politicians may be corrupt but he is what we got so I am just concerned where he will take us. If you don't see the similarities with socialism that's fine for you but not me.

 

[tharedhead]

Re: Obama camp scrubs website to remove references to “mandatory” community service

*sorry this looks weird, but I tried to put in a laughing smiley at the end and it erased my whole post ~ I have a migraine and I wasn't going to wrestle with it again...

If you type in the smiley code manually such as : l a u g h i n g : (only together) then it does not mess up your text. Same with the other commands, like bold. :c r a z y t o n g u e : :crazytongue:

 

[lidarkside]

Re: Obama camp scrubs website to remove references to “mandatory” community service

ANY DEMOCRAT VS REPUBLICAN DEFINITION IS FALSE

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A Democrat vs Republican Definition Doesn't Matter Because the CFR Elite Tell Both Parties to Pass Legislation That Hurts the Average American.
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America is controlled.

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Rendering the need for learning any Democrat vs. Republican definition useless.

Instead, it's more useful to know how the "matrix" operates and who's in control of it, and therefore, in control of you.

DEMOCRAT VS REPUBLICAN DEFINITION: DUMBING YOU DOWN

Before we get into the WHO, let's describe WHAT is going on in America today.

First of all, you need to question all your beliefs and "knowledge" because you were educated in a school system that's far removed from the 19th century American school system that focused on putting out people skilled in reading, writing, and math.

Over the last six or seven decades, there has been a deliberate attempt to dumb America down.

"We no longer see the teaching of facts and information as the primary function of education."
- Dr. Shirley McCune, at the 1989 Kansas Governor's Conference

"If every parent in America knew what was really going on in the public schools, there would be a revolution."
- columnist Thomas Sowell

What Sowell is speaking of is the change in focus where children are being taught labor skills and are being subjected to [a] curriculum that focuses on changing their behavior and social behavior.

The focus is getting children to accept a socialist-type society led by a strong police state atmosphere.

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DEMOCRAT VS REPUBLICAN DEFINITION: MEDIA

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We suggest you read some of the following along with doing your own research on this vital subject area:

Beware of Corporate Media Brainwashing
Third World Traveler: Media Control
Media Censorship Helps Build Police State
DEMOCRAT VS REPUBLICAN DEFINITION: THE CFR

"The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, One World Government."
- Admiral Chester Ward, former CFR member and Judge Advocate General of the U.S. Navy

Here's the thing. It doesn't matter what anyone tells you concerning some stuffy Democrat vs. Republican definition when the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) conspiracy includes members of both parties.

The CFR shadow government has been working to destroy America's sovereignty since 1921 in pursuit of World Government.

Ever wonder why your life never really changes whether a Democrat is president or a Republican is president? Sit back and really think about that. Both parties are part of the U.S. Government deception. Both parties pass police state legislation such as that passed in the name of those false "Wars" called the War on Drugs and the War on Terrorism.

A Democrat vs. Republican definition simply doesn't matter!

What matters is rooting out the CFR agents who are working toward a North American Union and the official demise of America and the United States Constitution.

DEMOCRAT VS REPUBLICAN DEFINITION: THE BANKERS

Who's behind the CFR and the plan for Globalization/World Government?

Ultimately, it's the international bankers and industrialists. When you thoroughly investigate Federal Reserve banking history and money creation as we have, you see clearly that the official Democrat vs. Republican definition has been created by the banksters.

The bottom line is that the people who are the producers in America are being scammed by the banking elite.

While the producers slave away in their little shack homes, the bankers create money from nothing and steal the wealth of the land through the Federal Reserve, the illegal United States central bank. The bankers produce nothing and contribute nothing but misery and slavery to the people.

Educate yourself on why things will never change as long as people keep voting in "Democrats" or "Republicans" who are simply CFR puppets. Educate yourself on why your debt is impossible to pay off because the interest must be paid with more borrowed money.

 

[cinphi]

Re: Obama camp scrubs website to remove references to “mandatory” community service

*sorry this looks weird, but I tried to put in a laughing smiley at the end and it erased my whole post ~ I have a migraine and I wasn't going to wrestle with it again...

If you type in the smiley code manually such as : l a u g h i n g : (only together) then it does not mess up your text. Same with the other commands, like bold. :c r a z y t o n g u e : :crazytongue:

I thought that would work thanks.

 

[Wolfie]

Re: Obama camp scrubs website to remove references to “mandatory” community service

Mandatory volunteerism is not true volunteerism--it's forced servitude.

Little by little, our rights and freedoms have been diminishing through time.

It's not "we the people" anymore; it's "we the corporate America".

How refreshing to see someone actually reads and thinks for themselves!!!! :headbang:

One more point. It's not volunteerism when people are receiving free tuition or tax credits that amount to free tuition. Although I am not quite sure if the tax credit will benefit the student doing the volunteering or the parent that claims them on their taxes. Remember, not all parents pay for the education.

Around here the students in high school have to complete 40 hours of community service as a requirement of graduation. Honestly, I don't think it is a good thing. The kids resent it. They dislike it because they have to do it! So, it leaves a negative impression in their minds. If it's a negative experience, why would they want to do it again, later in life?

I believe in giving back to my community. I have been active since college. That is who I am. Being active in a community group, I wish more people would get involved. Members are so hard to enlist these days. But, I also know I would much rather have 10 members that WANT to be there than 100 members who are required to be there!

You know what I don't understand? I don't understand how people can be 100% Republican or 100% Democrat! I just don't believe you can be. I don't believe you can agree with everything these professional liars try to cram down our throats.

Do you know how easy it would be to fix the economy? Do you know how easy it would be to work to solve the homeless problems in this country? What about health care? Ever wonder why these problems never get fixed? I think we all need to work together to help fix problems that matter rather than bickering over a policy that will never happen.

Pick what's important and doable and find a way to help. What good does this arguing do. Obviously it didn't work before the election. It's too late! A better idea, VOLUNTEER to work in the local office of your congressman or senator. Make a change from inside. It's a much more valuable use of your time.

 

[lidarkside]

Re: Obama camp scrubs website to remove references to “mandatory” community service

The government "creates" the problem so that they come in with a pre-established "fix" which equates to less rights/freedom for us and more control for them!

...and no one seems to notice?! :scratch:

People spend so much time debating and bickering with each other that they don't have any time to open their eyes and take notice of what is really going on.

...and that's exactly they way the "Man" wants it.

 

[3mnkids1]

Re: Obama camp scrubs website to remove references to “mandatory” community service

*sorry this looks weird, but I tried to put in a laughing smiley at the end and it erased my whole post ~ I have a migraine and I wasn't going to wrestle with it again...

Quote from: cin on Today at 09:43:39
Quote from: ping1970 on Today at 07:07:56
Cindy, I know you are hung up on the word required, but really it is just a word in this sense. As sweepers we are required to meet certain regulations or we can't win a prize ~ this is the same thing. If you don't meet the 'REQUIREMENTS' then you don't get the money (i.e. prize) in the Cracker Jack box...it is YOUR choice to do the requirement...no one is going to be deported if they don't volunteer.

I see evil in most things/people government and I really don't see it here. Sorry.


Tam I just don't like the use of that word coming from our next POTUS and as I said neither did they cause it was changed. I try to see good in things and not evil.



I don't trust any man that is in public office ~ none of them. There are to many people with their hands out and their pockets full and all it will take is the right offer...so I consider it to be a paid job with better paying benefits (if) the person is willing...not all are I guess, but on the most part I think most government officials are corrupt!


Quote from: cin on Today at 09:43:39

The day your government requires you to serve is the day your government is controlling your choices. Honestly I don't like serving man in this manner. I will serve God and I will volunteer for anything but I don't like being told what I can serve or who.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
But once again, it isn't a requirement...it is only going to be a requirement if you want the benefit offered. Otherwise, no harm, no foul. There isn't going to be any punishment for not doing it. If there was I would be right there with you.

Whether we like him or not, Obama is going to be president...and he is so young and doesn't have the experience that most of the others that are in office do, but the man is only human and he is going to make mistakes. I don't think it is going to do anyone good to rack him over the coals over this. The press will cover what they want to and yes, everyone can find someone that agrees with their point of view, this is the internet. But I can bet you that on the flip side that there are an equal amount of people that just love this policy and can't wait for it to be put in effect so they can help the cause.

If McCain had been elected they would be pouring over everything that he has ever said also and doing the same things ~ it is a free country with free speech so there will never be a dull moment with this. All I know is that I am so tired from all of the election who-ha and I am so glad that it is over that I could scream, but if everyone keeps debating everything Obama has ever said in his whole life apart it is going to make what could be a long 4 years seem that much longer! 2012 is a long, long way off!

I do understand that where people could think this was a stepping stone to something else, but I really don't think so. I consider myself pretty fair and I think this isn't an unreasonable thing. I don't think there is a 'master plan' at work here...and I see conspiracy theories everywhere anymore:laughing:

Of course it is your choice to see this whole thing as you like. Perhaps it's his inexperience that causes him to say such things. Of course he got elected but he is the one who will change a lot of things. I am sure you can see requirement any way you please. Once again I and he did not like the wording.

Politicians may be corrupt but he is what we got so I am just concerned where he will take us. If you don't see the similarities with socialism that's fine for you but not me.

ah, the socialism word again.. Its funny but we are already a socialist society. medicaid, medicare, food stamps, social security, disability, public schools, public libraries.. all paid for by us the taxpayer. Taking from one and giving to another.

 

[cinphi]

Re: Obama camp scrubs website to remove references to “mandatory” community service

*sorry this looks weird, but I tried to put in a laughing smiley at the end and it erased my whole post ~ I have a migraine and I wasn't going to wrestle with it again...

Quote from: cin on Today at 09:43:39
Quote from: ping1970 on Today at 07:07:56
Cindy, I know you are hung up on the word required, but really it is just a word in this sense. As sweepers we are required to meet certain regulations or we can't win a prize ~ this is the same thing. If you don't meet the 'REQUIREMENTS' then you don't get the money (i.e. prize) in the Cracker Jack box...it is YOUR choice to do the requirement...no one is going to be deported if they don't volunteer.

I see evil in most things/people government and I really don't see it here. Sorry.


Tam I just don't like the use of that word coming from our next POTUS and as I said neither did they cause it was changed. I try to see good in things and not evil.



I don't trust any man that is in public office ~ none of them. There are to many people with their hands out and their pockets full and all it will take is the right offer...so I consider it to be a paid job with better paying benefits (if) the person is willing...not all are I guess, but on the most part I think most government officials are corrupt!


Quote from: cin on Today at 09:43:39

The day your government requires you to serve is the day your government is controlling your choices. Honestly I don't like serving man in this manner. I will serve God and I will volunteer for anything but I don't like being told what I can serve or who.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
But once again, it isn't a requirement...it is only going to be a requirement if you want the benefit offered. Otherwise, no harm, no foul. There isn't going to be any punishment for not doing it. If there was I would be right there with you.

Whether we like him or not, Obama is going to be president...and he is so young and doesn't have the experience that most of the others that are in office do, but the man is only human and he is going to make mistakes. I don't think it is going to do anyone good to rack him over the coals over this. The press will cover what they want to and yes, everyone can find someone that agrees with their point of view, this is the internet. But I can bet you that on the flip side that there are an equal amount of people that just love this policy and can't wait for it to be put in effect so they can help the cause.

If McCain had been elected they would be pouring over everything that he has ever said also and doing the same things ~ it is a free country with free speech so there will never be a dull moment with this. All I know is that I am so tired from all of the election who-ha and I am so glad that it is over that I could scream, but if everyone keeps debating everything Obama has ever said in his whole life apart it is going to make what could be a long 4 years seem that much longer! 2012 is a long, long way off!

I do understand that where people could think this was a stepping stone to something else, but I really don't think so. I consider myself pretty fair and I think this isn't an unreasonable thing. I don't think there is a 'master plan' at work here...and I see conspiracy theories everywhere anymore:laughing:

Of course it is your choice to see this whole thing as you like. Perhaps it's his inexperience that causes him to say such things. Of course he got elected but he is the one who will change a lot of things. I am sure you can see requirement any way you please. Once again I and he did not like the wording.

Politicians may be corrupt but he is what we got so I am just concerned where he will take us. If you don't see the similarities with socialism that's fine for you but not me.

ah, the socialism word again.. Its funny but we are already a socialist society. medicaid, medicare, food stamps, social security, disability, public schools, public libraries.. all paid for by us the taxpayer. Taking from one and giving to another.

And look where it's all gotten us. Trust me we do not want to be in a real socialist government. At least I don't.

Government is the problem.

 

[cinphi]

Re: Obama camp scrubs website to remove references to “mandatory” community service

As I said before God help us because man sure does screw it all up.

 

[lidarkside]

Re: Obama camp scrubs website to remove references to “mandatory” community service

It will never matter if it's the Republican candidate or the Democrat candidate that gets elected to the presidency. Both are funded by the same corporate America, banks, etc., and both are controlled by same. The agenda is dictated, the plan was laid out decades ago.

Anyone who cares to stop this country from heading down the road to communism needs to stop voting for these parties.

It's sad how conditioned the American populous has become where they will only vote for one or the other main parties and not consider anyone else.

 

[cinphi]

Re: Obama camp scrubs website to remove references to “mandatory” community service

It will never matter if it's the Republican candidate or the Democrat candidate that gets elected to the presidency. Both are funded by the same corporate America, banks, etc., and both are controlled by same. The agenda is dictated, the plan was laid out decades ago.

Anyone who cares to stop this country from heading down the road to communism needs to stop voting for these parties.

It's sad how conditioned the American populous has become where they will only vote for one or the other main parties and not consider anyone else.

Well I believe the media decided who this president would be. I guess they run the country right now. Honestly I don't see it getting any better.

 

[3mnkids1]

Re: Obama camp scrubs website to remove references to “mandatory” community service

It will never matter if it's the Republican candidate or the Democrat candidate that gets elected to the presidency. Both are funded by the same corporate America, banks, etc., and both are controlled by same. The agenda is dictated, the plan was laid out decades ago.

Anyone who cares to stop this country from heading down the road to communism needs to stop voting for these parties.

It's sad how conditioned the American populous has become where they will only vote for one or the other main parties and not consider anyone else.

Well I believe the media decided who this president would be. I guess they run the country right now. Honestly I don't see it getting any better.

yeah, the media decided.. He won by what.. 8 Million more votes.. I guess if McCain had won the media wouldnt have had anything to do with it.

 

[lidarkside]

Re: Obama camp scrubs website to remove references to “mandatory” community service

Well I believe the media decided who this president would be. I guess they run the country right now. Honestly I don't see it getting any better.

The media is owned and controlled by corporate America.

This country won't get any better if people do nothing.

...and, lastly, everyone needs to stop watching television. It's making their brains one big bowl of mush. The first one that needs to go is CNN.

I'm amazed at how many people glue themselves to the news and news networks. It's propaganda, it's garbage, and they only tell you what they want you to believe; and, obviously, it's working.

Turn if off and detox.