How did the debate go?

Wow let me just say that I felt that there was no clear winer in this debate last night. Now having said that I am shocked at what I am reading here. To suggest that McCain is racist and has a problem with a black man beating him. I have no idea where that would come from. To say Sarah Palin is an idiot well that's just not really true.

So you may have your opinions and that's perfectly fine but to take it to these levels is just sad IMO.
 
Look for the Republicans to take a beating across the board. People are angry and the GOP is the more obvious target, though it seems there is plenty of blame to go around. McCain is not a racist, but he's frustrated too. In a different year, Obama's lack of experience versus McCain's lifetime of service would be a heavy factor. In last night's debate, McCain pointed out many times that he is the candidate with the experience, especially in foreign affairs and military matters. This year, it doesn't matter. He's losing ground to the smooth talker whose chief appeal is that he's different. Different doesn't mean better.
 
Honestly, I have no idea if McCain is a racist. He certainly comes from a time when most people were - even many younger people are still very racist, sad but true. I think he is very frustrated because he feels that he should've won the 2000 primary, and he was cheated out of that. Now he gets another chance and, sadly for him, the voters are looking for a "new track" and, as a Republican (and, in spite of the Maverick name he has applied to himself, he is very much a traditional Republican), he just cannot represent a "new track" since his party is currently in charge. Unfortunately, this sense of thinking a win is "due" or "owed" often leads to the nastiest type of campaigns (also evident in the Democrat primary).

I used to have a lot of respect for McCain, but his willingness to say whatever it takes to get elected has really soured me. George Bush "Senior" did the same thing and that totally backfired on him. I also am concerned that his recent attempts at executive type actions have not panned out well ("we are all Georgians", suspending his campaign and failing at getting his party on board for the first bailout vote, the choice of Gov. Palin for VP).

People are frustrated and scared and emotions are running high, but, please, everyone, let's stay friends here!
 
3mnkids1 said:
Its obvious that McCain thinks Obama is beneath him. Look at his body language, how he doesnt look at Obama, doesnt want to shake his hand.. says things like "that one".. If you just take one of these things it would be nothing.. add them all up and its starting to look like McCain is a man that is disgusted that this black man is beating him. :nono:

As to palin.. she is an idiot.. She whips these people into a frenzy with her lies and innuendos.. She isnt clever enough to hide what she is really saying.

They cant attack him on the issues so they try to appeal to people who only go by what they hear the candidate say.. they don't do their own research.. Obama cant be trusted.. What do we know about Obama..*cough* *Muslim*.*cough* *terrorist*.. puhleeeze...

And cindy McCain saying obama is running the dirtiest campaign in history... what? is she insane? They have both done their share of mud slinging.
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Exactly. And the fact that neither McCain or Palin denounced what the racists were yelling. Neither one of them are telling their supporters(or the media no less) that such ignorance and behavior will not be tolerated or condoned. Neither of them are doing or saying anything to calm those racial waters and tones. They are just as guilty as the ignorant racists by not taking a stand and not allowing such filth at their gatherings. I remember not too long ago that a non-McCain supporter was ushered out immediately when he/she spoke up against McCain at a convention or gathering. These ignorant supporters were waving sticks and shouting racial slurs and at a black sound man for crying out loud! And McCain and Palin did and said nothing!

It's not taking "it" to any level. It's the sad truth. Voters can either open their eyes and see it for what it is or they can turn a blind eye to it. I've always been aware that some people were not going to vote for Obama because he's black. I know this. I get it. But I never thought in a million years the republican running mates would condone it as they did. That's what's sad.

annielouise, you're spot-on! If they're getting and allowing these types of supporters, they've clearly already lost the election and they know it. Only now they've chosen to go down without class or integrity.

Do your homework, folks. You can't say it's not true if you aren't fact-checking yourself. I know how strongly some of you feel about McCain and Palin, but that shouldn't mean you should ignore what is clearly the truth just because you "like" them. Some of you have said you don't really know anything about Obama because you don't care. I think it's time to start caring. Even just a little bit.
 
Why is this discussion turning into a race discussion? McCain has never mentioned anything racial in this debate. In fact it was Obama who brought it up.

Bottom line one of these two will be our next president but let's not go to a level of mud slinging. We have some issues that need to be worked out in this country. Some of us support Obama and some support McCain. We can all find a lot of things posted out there to support our candidate but let's stay off the mud slinging because it's coming from both sides.
 
aurora777 said:
Look for the Republicans to take a beating across the board. People are angry and the GOP is the more obvious target, though it seems there is plenty of blame to go around. McCain is not a racist, but he's frustrated too. In a different year, Obama's lack of experience versus McCain's lifetime of service would be a heavy factor. In last night's debate, McCain pointed out many times that he is the candidate with the experience, especially in foreign affairs and military matters. This year, it doesn't matter. He's losing ground to the smooth talker whose chief appeal is that he's different. Different doesn't mean better.
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I'm not beating on McCain because he's a republican, aurora. I'm an independent. People are indeed angry. You got that right! Just look what I posted about what was going on in Clearwater! 3,000 republican supporters shouting, yelling, screaming, waving sticks, and spewing racist hate. Yeah, people are angry alright.
 
aurora777 said:
Look for the Republicans to take a beating across the board. People are angry and the GOP is the more obvious target, though it seems there is plenty of blame to go around. McCain is not a racist, but he's frustrated too. In a different year, Obama's lack of experience versus McCain's lifetime of service would be a heavy factor. In last night's debate, McCain pointed out many times that he is the candidate with the experience, especially in foreign affairs and military matters. This year, it doesn't matter. He's losing ground to the smooth talker whose chief appeal is that he's different. Different doesn't mean better.
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You know, I don't like McCain, but I respect him for his service to our country.

I am voting for McCain. Last week, when I heard Biden utter the words "Double Foreign Assistance" I had to replay it 3 times to make sure I heard it right. ARE YOU KIDDING!

As for the rest of my voting. I am so disgusted with the election year BS that went on with the bail-out bill that I am voting against any encumbent. Not that my vote stands a chance as I live in the most liberal state in the country, but I have a voice and it is screaming "Instead of trying to keep your job, why don't you try doing your job!" I wonder if that would actually work? :scratch:

The one thing I agree with the candidates about is that it is TIME FOR A CHANGE! It is up to all of us to make the change. Maybe congress itself won't enact term limits, but it doesn't mean we can't!

I have never been this unhappy going into an election. After 8 years of hoping Bush won't speak without a prepared speech, I figured nothing could be worse. Boy, was I wrong. Obama is arrogant and lacks significant experience. The presidency does not allow for on the job training What, he has 2 years in the senate with 2 years of campaigning. Not much of a resume builder. McCain, he is a hero, but there is also the Keating 5 scandal that goes against his honor. Neither person has any integrity, given the nasty campaign they are BOTH running. Seriously, is this what we want leading our country.

The only relief I have is that fact that the president is, for all intents and purposes, merely the face of America. Now, if we could only elect members of congress who had a brain and the ability to be free thinkers, maybe we could get somewhere!

BTW, I don't think anyone is racist. I think the dems will scream racism if they lose. I think the repubs will blame GWB! In the end, we all get screwed! :cry:
 
I am also voting McCain and also agree we can't wait for Obama to get his on the job training. However whoever wins I will respect that position they are in and support them as an American citizen.

Congress could definitely use some improvement. This has been a very intense election and I am looking forward to when it will be over. Either way both parties will have an excuse as to why they lost.
 
Well put, Wolfie, well put.

A charge of racism is an unwieldy weapon. I have seen news clips where people of color tearfully declare that they are voting for Obama because, finally, a black person is running. I get it, but are THEY racists? If I said that I like McCain because he's white like me, I'd certainly get called a racist. [NOT my thinking, by the way, just making a point]. I don't care what color Obama is. I'd vote for him if I agreed with him. His inexperience and socialist tendencies make him the wrong candidate for me.

If you do like Obama, please, vote for him. All Americans should vote. Even the ones who don't agree with me!
 
aurora777 said:
Well put, Wolfie, well put.

A charge of racism is an unwieldy weapon. I have seen news clips where people of color tearfully declare that they are voting for Obama because, finally, a black person is running. I get it, but are THEY racists? If I said that I like McCain because he's white like me, I'd certainly get called a racist. [NOT my thinking, by the way, just making a point]. I don't care what color Obama is. I'd vote for him if I agreed with him. His inexperience and socialist tendencies make him the wrong candidate for me.

If you do like Obama, please, vote for him. All Americans should vote. Even the ones who don't agree with me!
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:) also well put.The inexperience and socialist tendencies are also my bigest concerns. I just hope we will start to see an improovement in things soon. I do know one thing Obama will not be able to raise taxes on anyone. Rich or middle class because we will all suffer a lot more.
 
Neither person has any integrity, given the nasty campaign they are BOTH running.
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I'm sorry but I don't agree. Obama hasn't done anything remotely as scummy as what went on in Clearwater. He hasn't had any Black Panthers or racists at his gatherings screaming, "Kill Whitey!" or had any of his supporters screaming racist slurs at media, sound men, or anyone for that matter and then did nothing to denounce it. I don't know what some of you would call condoning the behavior that went on there. I call it racism since they perpetrated that behavior and then fueled it and stood by idly while it went on. I haven't seen any evidence where Obama is running a "nasty" campaign on that level.

Hey, don't shoot the messenger guys LOL Read what I posted. Follow the link and read the entire article for yourself.
 
Another example of why McCain and Palin should have spoken up and at least did something to get those extreme racists shut up or shut down!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ist-gunman--wearing-Barack-Obama-T-shirt.html

A man told today how he was shot three times in a London street for wearing a Barack Obama T-shirt.
Dube Egwuatu was buying a mobile telephone top-up card in an off-licence when the gunman confronted him and glared at the top, which carries an image of the Democrat US presidential candidate underneath the legend 'Believe'.
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You'll have to read the next paragraph and then some(expletives and racial slurs are used).
 
I find it amusing when people talk about Obama's lack of experience but think palin is just great. makes no sense whatsoever. If something were to happen to McCain, And I hope that it doesnt, she would be running the country.. McCain is not in good health and odds are that she will be the one in the oval office before his term would be over.

And while I dont think that most people who dont support obama are racist there are in fact racist in this country. Also the McCain camp is letting people get up on their platforms and say things like Barrack Hussein Obama.. with emphasis on his middle name. Thats tacky and they are just trying to scare people with their who is the real obama? ads, their Hussein references, and McCains oooooh so obvious disdain for him.

The McCain/palin organization needs to come out and say we dont endorse and will not tolerate hate coming from the audience.

I dont think people are voting for Obama because he is a smooth talker or he is new on the scene. I think a lot of people equate McCain with Bush..
 
3mnkids1 said:
I find it amusing when people talk about Obama's lack of experience but think palin is just great. makes no sense whatsoever. If something were to happen to McCain, And I hope that it doesnt, she would be running the country.. McCain is not in good health and odds are that she will be the one in the oval office before his term would be over.

And while I dont think that most people who dont support obama are racist there are in fact racist in this country. Also the McCain camp is letting people get up on their platforms and say things like Barrack Hussein Obama.. with emphasis on his middle name. Thats tacky and they are just trying to scare people with their who is the real obama? ads, their Hussein references, and McCains oooooh so obvious disdain for him.

The McCain/palin organization needs to come out and say we dont endorse and will not tolerate hate coming from the audience.

I dont think people are voting for Obama because he is a smooth talker or he is new on the scene. I think a lot of people equate McCain with Bush..
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Well put and I agree! And just for the record I'm in no way saying that if Obama loses it will be because of race nor am I shouting "racist white americans!" at the republican supporters. But it's a FACT about what the republicans are allowing and endorsing. Only a fellow racist would support that type of awful behavior.

Let me also take a moment to point out it isn't mud-slinging. I think some of you are confused about what mud-slinging is and isn't. My statements were backed with a link and a few quotes from said link. I left out quite a bit actually in that article in terms of the ticket. If you read the article and then did some of your own valid, fact-checked research you'd have no other option but to accept it for what it is. It isn't about going witch-hunting on who can gather the most incriminating facts on the opponent. It's about gathering facts on both parties(the good and the bad), accepting them for what they are, and deciding what you will or will not tolerate in a president.

I know it's been said before but Palin is uneducated and inexperienced on most platforms. To equate her experiences in such matters with Obama's is a little silly, like comparing apples and oranges. She's also not the straight-talker she claims to be but deceiving at best. I wish she'd take more responsibility for the nonsense and lies that come flying out of her big mouth instead of blaming the media who she claims twists and turns everything she says. The you betchas, the winks, and the resisting of answering pertinent questions during the debate just solidified what the majority of Obama supporters and some McCain supporters knew already. She doesn't know squat about squat and thinks she can fool everyone who doesn't know better by being cute and folksy. It's quite insulting if some of you stopped to think about it.

McCain is rude and arrogant. Refusing to shake hands, make eye contact, and leaving the last debate abruptly. What are we supposed to think when he does things like this? He's certainly not professional and has quite the temper. I'm afraid if he were to be president he'd be sitting with his finger on the trigger, laughing maniacally, just waiting to blow stuff up. He's also not the knight in shiny armor some would think. He's always been a cheater, a liar, a belittler, an insulting, pompous horse's behind. Check it out, people. You can't deny the facts!
 
3mnkids1 said:
I find it amusing when people talk about Obama's lack of experience but think palin is just great. makes no sense whatsoever. If something were to happen to McCain, And I hope that it doesnt, she would be running the country.. McCain is not in good health and odds are that she will be the one in the oval office before his term would be over.

And while I dont think that most people who dont support obama are racist there are in fact racist in this country. Also the McCain camp is letting people get up on their platforms and say things like Barrack Hussein Obama.. with emphasis on his middle name. Thats tacky and they are just trying to scare people with their who is the real obama? ads, their Hussein references, and McCains oooooh so obvious disdain for him.

The McCain/palin organization needs to come out and say we dont endorse and will not tolerate hate coming from the audience.

I dont think people are voting for Obama because he is a smooth talker or he is new on the scene. I think a lot of people equate McCain with Bush..
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I will address each of your statements and I hope you understand I am only showing the opposite side to your comments. Also I respect that you have your opinions and that you like Obama. That is why you should vote for him.

Palin is not runing for POTUS. Obama is. As for McCain's health he provided pages of health information concerning his health status. Also Obama is a smoker so he is also at risk for lung cancer. Yes he says he quit smoking but he has also admited to buming ciggerettes on the campaign trail. And yes I can see why he would because this race is stressful. So both candidates could have a health issue.

As for racism yes there are racist in every race.Saying his whole name should not be a problem because it's his name and in fact his name is Barry so maybe we should call him that. Yes we need to ask questions about who is Barry Obama just as we need to ask who is any other candidate. Especially someone runing for the top office in our country. I have never heard McCain make any refference to Obama being black. Only Obama brought that up when he said they are going to tell you this about me. I think we should know about Obama's friends because it helps us understand his character.

The campaigns have been bad from both campaigns. There is an ad that was put out about McCain's not being able to use the computer. Well of course he could not use his hands due to his being tortured. The attacks are coming from both sides. To think that this is only one sided is just untrue.

I am glad you are voting because we should and I understand your passion for your candidate. I respect you for that and I hope we could respect one another being that we have different political views because I would hate to think we couldn't still talk about sweeps even though we disagree on this.
 
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/07/acorn-vegas-office-raided-voter-fraud-investigation/

Nevada state authorities seized records and computers Tuesday from the Las Vegas office of an organization that tries to get low-income people registered to vote, after fielding complaints of voter fraud.

Bob Walsh, spokesman for the Nevada secretary of state's office, told FOXNews.com the raid was prompted by ongoing complaints about "erroneous" registration information being submitted by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, also called ACORN.

The group was submitting the information through a voter sign-up drive known as Project Vote.

"Some of them used nonexistent names, some of them used false addresses and some of them were duplicates of previously filed applications," Walsh said, describing the complaints, which largely came from the registrar in Clark County, Nev.

Secretary of State Ross Miller said the fraudulent registrations included forms for the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys football team.
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First I dont take anything that is said here in reference to politics personal. I respect that everyone has opinions. It doesnt affect my wanting to talk to others about sweeps or anything else.

Second, I never said it was one sided.. I have said that both have been negative with their speeches and with their ads. As to the obama's friends reference I think its sad that he is guilty by association. what about McCain and the keating 5.. some could make the same argument. The keating 5 does not tell me anything about McCain's character and neither does the Ayers reference tell me anything about obama's character. They are merely distractions. A way to pull the focus away from the real issues.

Back to the health issue for a moment. Palin is not running for president.. she is the back up. And yes obama could have an accident and Biden would have to take over.. The difference is That Biden is capable where Palin is not. She does not have the experience and IMO the intelligence to run the country. I was not going to vote for Obama at the beginning of the campaigning because frankly, I just didn't care for him. :laughing: That changed when McCain picked palin.. it shows a real lack of judgement on his part . Her selection was a ploy to get disgruntled Hilary supporters. that's it.

I think McCain is a great American and have never disparaged what he has sacrificed for his country..I just dont think it entitles him to the presidency.


cin said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgc4zm3XrBc&eurl=http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=63080



Here is what we are looking at with an Obama presidency.
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the same thing could be said about mccain :laughing:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48ipiTj2ymQ&feature=related

McCain's computer illiteracy. It has nothing to do with his hands.

There are attacks from both sides as there should be. They're running for president. They're supposed to attack each other's weaknesses, not each other's race. Once again I will say it...there have been absolutely NO attacks from Obama or Obama supporters at his conventions/gatherings on this level. Only McCain/Palin supporters and McCain/Palin endorsing it.

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well I care because she is up for VP of this country. Just because im not voting mccain/palin doesnt mean I should not educate myself on what they stand for


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Quote from: 3mnkids1 on September 10, 2008, 03:27:10 PM
well I care because she is up for VP of this country. Just because im not voting mccain/palin doesnt mean I should not educate myself on what they stand for.


Just curious because I really don't care about Obama because it doesn't affect my voting decission.


May I suggest as I have upteen times before to some of you. Care enough to check the facts. Care enough to know what's what. Care enough to educate yourself on both candidates. I think you will find yourself surprised at what you didn't know before! I sure am! I feel like I'm able to make an educated decision on who is better for the country whereas before I simply didn't know.
 
3mnkids1 said:
First I dont take anything that is said here in reference to politics personal. I respect that everyone has opinions. It doesnt affect my wanting to talk to others about sweeps or anything else.

Second, I never said it was one sided.. I have said that both have been negative with their speeches and with their ads. As to the obama's friends reference I think its sad that he is guilty by association. what about McCain and the keating 5.. some could make the same argument. The keating 5 does not tell me anything about McCain's character and neither does the Ayers reference tell me anything about obama's character. They are merely distractions. A way to pull the focus away from the real issues.

Back to the health issue for a moment. Palin is not running for president.. she is the back up. And yes obama could have an accident and Biden would have to take over.. The difference is That Biden is capable where Palin is not. She does not have the experience and IMO the intelligence to run the country. I was not going to vote for Obama at the beginning of the campaigning because frankly, I just didn't care for him. :laughing: That changed when McCain picked palin.. it shows a real lack of judgement on his part . Her selection was a ploy to get disgruntled Hilary supporters. that's it.

I think McCain is a great American and have never disparaged what he has sacrificed for his country..I just dont think it entitles him to the presidency.


cin said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgc4zm3XrBc&eurl=http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=63080



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the same thing could be said about mccain :laughing:
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Then I am glad we agree it is not one sided. And I also agree we should get back to the issues here and not the negative campaign ads or anything else negative. Because I can definately pull up negative posts about Obama. I don't like doing that and I would rather talk about how the next POTUS will fix things along with congress.

As I have stated before it is Obama's lack of experience and socialist tendencies that concern me and as was said in that video I should be able to slice my own pie.
 
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