completelyme
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Amen! :laughing:
How did the debate go?
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Amen! :laughing:
I can't seem to copy a message to respond to, so I will just say I completely agree with completelyme when you say that McCain deserves some respect for his comments at the rally. That's more like the McCain that used to be.....
And it's pretty scary if people are shouting things at rallies that the secret service has to be concerned about, so I am glad that McCain was able to rise above the politics for a minute and be human.
And it's pretty scary if people are shouting things at rallies that the secret service has to be concerned about, so I am glad that McCain was able to rise above the politics for a minute and be human.
completelyme
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At first I thought maybe he read my posts on him condoning the racists by not saying anything. Like, maybe a lighbulb went off and he said to himself, "You know, John, completelyme is right! :laughing: I do need to set these people straight!" j/k :crazytongue:
Seriously, I'm glad he was man enough to admit what he already knew in the first place. I'm hoping now it will calm the torrential waters.
I bet someone sent him this link...
tharedhead
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Yup, the guy from Etsy sent it to him.
:laughing: As I follow the posts on here today, I find myself snickering.
I would be careful posting a link to CNN news if I wanted to be taken seriously. This isn't just my opinion either.
From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN
Criticism and controversies
Main article: CNN controversies
CNN has been accused of perpetrating media bias for allegedly promoting both a conservative and a liberal agenda based on previous incidents. Media Matters for America has documented several hundred separate instances of what it sees as conservative editorializing during CNN broadcasts.[9] Accuracy in Media and MRC have claimed that CNN's reporting contains liberal editorializing within news stories.[10][11]
In 2002, Honest Reporting spearheaded a campaign to expose CNN for pro-Palestinian bias, citing public remarks in which Ted Turner equated Palestinian suicide bombing with Israeli military strikes.[12]
Several prominent former CNN personalities have come to criticize certain aspects of the news network. Aaron Brown has said that CNN has committed "huge mistakes" and frames CNN as an "organization that is trying to figure out if it can be all things to all people." However, he also praised CNN's journalistic superiority, saying, "[...] CNN's a better journalism organization." [13] Bernard Shaw has expressed that he is "very very disappointed with the way the news management" has handled his favorite network. He criticised the effects of Fox News' "commentary [and] personal analysis" on the news reporting of CNN, saying that "CNN continues to ape many of the on-air mannerisms of the Fox News Network, and I don't like that."[14]As said by Ted Turner, founder of CNN, There really isnt much of a point getting some Tom, Dick or Harry off the streets to report on when we can snag a big name whom everyone identifies with. After all, its all part of the business. However, in April 2008, Turner criticized the direction CNN has taken. [15]
A Chinese website, anti-cnn.com,[16] has accused CNN and western media in general of biased reporting against China, with the catch-phrase "Don't be so CNN" catching on in the Chinese mainstream as jokingly meaning "Don't be so biased". Pictures used by CNN are allegedly edited to have completely different meanings from the original ones. In addition, the network was accused of largely ignoring pro-China voices during the Olympic Torch Relay in San Francisco. Though these allegations exist, none have been proven to be true. [17]
On April 24, 2008 beautician Liang Shubing and teacher Li Lilan sued commentator Jack Cafferty and CNN $1.3 billion damages ($1 per person in China), in New York, for "violating the dignity and reputation of the Chinese people". This was in response to an incident during CNN's "The Situation Room" on April 9, where Cafferty stated his opinion that "[the USA] continue to import their junk with the lead paint on them and the poisoned pet food" despite his view that "[the Chinese leaders were] basically the same bunch of goons and thugs they've been for the last 50 years". Further, amid China's Foreign Ministry demand for an apology, 14 lawyers filed a similar suit in Beijing.[18][19]
___________________________________________________________________________________________As far as liecount, per their site:
Do you do the research yourself?
Some of it. We will lean heavily on respected sources like factcheck.org for our data. Some info we will observe and research ourselves. We are not a research group, nor are we respected journalists.
Which tells me if I want to know I need to check with fact check.
I would be careful posting a link to CNN news if I wanted to be taken seriously. This isn't just my opinion either.
From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN
Criticism and controversies
Main article: CNN controversies
CNN has been accused of perpetrating media bias for allegedly promoting both a conservative and a liberal agenda based on previous incidents. Media Matters for America has documented several hundred separate instances of what it sees as conservative editorializing during CNN broadcasts.[9] Accuracy in Media and MRC have claimed that CNN's reporting contains liberal editorializing within news stories.[10][11]
In 2002, Honest Reporting spearheaded a campaign to expose CNN for pro-Palestinian bias, citing public remarks in which Ted Turner equated Palestinian suicide bombing with Israeli military strikes.[12]
Several prominent former CNN personalities have come to criticize certain aspects of the news network. Aaron Brown has said that CNN has committed "huge mistakes" and frames CNN as an "organization that is trying to figure out if it can be all things to all people." However, he also praised CNN's journalistic superiority, saying, "[...] CNN's a better journalism organization." [13] Bernard Shaw has expressed that he is "very very disappointed with the way the news management" has handled his favorite network. He criticised the effects of Fox News' "commentary [and] personal analysis" on the news reporting of CNN, saying that "CNN continues to ape many of the on-air mannerisms of the Fox News Network, and I don't like that."[14]As said by Ted Turner, founder of CNN, There really isnt much of a point getting some Tom, Dick or Harry off the streets to report on when we can snag a big name whom everyone identifies with. After all, its all part of the business. However, in April 2008, Turner criticized the direction CNN has taken. [15]
A Chinese website, anti-cnn.com,[16] has accused CNN and western media in general of biased reporting against China, with the catch-phrase "Don't be so CNN" catching on in the Chinese mainstream as jokingly meaning "Don't be so biased". Pictures used by CNN are allegedly edited to have completely different meanings from the original ones. In addition, the network was accused of largely ignoring pro-China voices during the Olympic Torch Relay in San Francisco. Though these allegations exist, none have been proven to be true. [17]
On April 24, 2008 beautician Liang Shubing and teacher Li Lilan sued commentator Jack Cafferty and CNN $1.3 billion damages ($1 per person in China), in New York, for "violating the dignity and reputation of the Chinese people". This was in response to an incident during CNN's "The Situation Room" on April 9, where Cafferty stated his opinion that "[the USA] continue to import their junk with the lead paint on them and the poisoned pet food" despite his view that "[the Chinese leaders were] basically the same bunch of goons and thugs they've been for the last 50 years". Further, amid China's Foreign Ministry demand for an apology, 14 lawyers filed a similar suit in Beijing.[18][19]
___________________________________________________________________________________________As far as liecount, per their site:
Do you do the research yourself?
Some of it. We will lean heavily on respected sources like factcheck.org for our data. Some info we will observe and research ourselves. We are not a research group, nor are we respected journalists.
Which tells me if I want to know I need to check with fact check.
tharedhead
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I hope that means that Palin's brother in law did not really Taser a moose?
3mnkids1
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I agree... I think it spun out of control.. He wanted to shed some doubt but it caught like wildfire. This may actually help him. All the negative stuff was turning alot of folks off.. well, except for the crazies at some of those rallies.. good for him.
No he didn't taser a moose, he tasered his son! He illegally shot a moose. :crazytongue:
tharedhead
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He tasered his....son. *gulp* If somebody tasered a kid around me I'd misuse power on the guy, if I had any power to misuse. An adult moose probably would not feel too much (being really big and having fur and all that) but a kid....
completelyme
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Yep! They either check it for themselves or rely on f a c t check. Maybe you ought to tell all of your friends so they're hip to that too. You know, coming from us heathens and all, it just isn't believable :crazytongue: It must be hard trying to discredit someone you don't like LOL
You also may want to let your friends know that blogs are opinions and not facts. I was snickering myself at how they just weren't getting it :laughing:
And it was his stepson he tasered. Make sure you're completely accurate, Pam. The fact still remains that Palin abused her power as governor and would most likely do the same as the VP or president.
completelyme
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Yeah, you'd make an awful VP or president then.
:laughing: :headbang: I think this guy who got fired deserved to get fired from what I have read he is a real nice guy. Not.
I'm guessing some people may be going to that other sweep site to get their facts.
Do the research for yourselves as best you can. I do realize how hard that may be to do considering the information out there on the internet and the very bias media but either way both these politicians are posting attack ads and things are getting pretty heated right now.
Is it Nov. 4 yet?
Do the research for yourselves as best you can. I do realize how hard that may be to do considering the information out there on the internet and the very bias media but either way both these politicians are posting attack ads and things are getting pretty heated right now.
Is it Nov. 4 yet?
3mnkids1
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I get my facts from fact check and lie count.. I think I have posted those particular links half a dozen times or more.
as to the "news" stations.. conseritives watch fox news.. they promote conservative ideas.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_news
more liberals watch msnbc..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSNBC
so bottom line.. fact check and lie count is the way to go.. almost all "news" stations have a base that they appeal too.
completelyme
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It doesn't matter where people get their fa cts. As long as they are posting facts and not lies, that's really all that matters.
The entire media isn't bias. Sure there are some media sources that tend to lean left or right but to say all media is bias is simply not true. It's not hard to check out the fa cts and distinguish whether something is an opinion or not. Well, I take that back. It may be overwhelming to some if they are fairly new at researching material, but once you get the hang of it it's really not hard.
completelyme
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To reiterate(repeat) what I've said earlier...
The guy may not have been a nice guy. I really don't know. I've not done much research on the guy. The fact remains that Palin abused her power and the investigators of Troopergate found her guilty of that. She disliked the guy, tried to bully his supervisor into firing him, and when that didn't work, she fired the supervisor. Direct misuse of power.
The point I'm trying to make is that her misuse of power, being a governor, may be a direct indication of how she will act as VP or even president. I think it is safe to say no american wants that. Would you like to be railroaded and/or bullied by someone who thinks they have a right to do so because they hold a higher position than you? I think you'd feel differently, cin, if you were involved personally in a situation such as this.
The guy may not have been a nice guy. I really don't know. I've not done much research on the guy. The fact remains that Palin abused her power and the investigators of Troopergate found her guilty of that. She disliked the guy, tried to bully his supervisor into firing him, and when that didn't work, she fired the supervisor. Direct misuse of power.
The point I'm trying to make is that her misuse of power, being a governor, may be a direct indication of how she will act as VP or even president. I think it is safe to say no american wants that. Would you like to be railroaded and/or bullied by someone who thinks they have a right to do so because they hold a higher position than you? I think you'd feel differently, cin, if you were involved personally in a situation such as this.
Thank you Tracey for your posts. Yes there is media bias no doubt.
As for Sarah again she is not running for POTUS but Obama is and shouldn't we be concerned about his lack of experience and poor judgement? Yes we should just as we should want to know all about McCain.
Obviously there are 2 candidates and I believe enough information has been posted here to help the undecided voters.
I plan on posting whatever I feel may be relevent to Obama and my concerns just as anyone else should post what they like.
As for Sarah again she is not running for POTUS but Obama is and shouldn't we be concerned about his lack of experience and poor judgement? Yes we should just as we should want to know all about McCain.
Obviously there are 2 candidates and I believe enough information has been posted here to help the undecided voters.
I plan on posting whatever I feel may be relevent to Obama and my concerns just as anyone else should post what they like.
I just had a really great conversation with a friend of my husband's who is very much pro McCain. He said he didn't like Obama at all. It was so refreshing to get his answer to my "why?" question. His answer had nothing to do with the man himself. He simply doesn't agree with the policies that Obama supports.
We were then able to discuss the policies from McCain that I don't agree with.
It was really nice to have this conversation and know that there are some people who won't vote for Obama out there who are willing to look at the actual issues and not just the fact that they don't like him and they don't try to slam him as a person.
This campaign of fear and doubt gets us too far from the real issues at stake for the next four years. It's historically a republican campaign tactic to do this in October, and in fact this happened to McCain in the primaries 8 years ago when he ran against Bush, and I hope everyone can look past all of this character assassination junk and look at the real issues. Who will help our economy more? Who will resolve our military actions? And so many more issues.
That all depends on your own views, who you think will do a better job, but to talk about fear and doubt for unfounded things in an election this important is not productive.
We were then able to discuss the policies from McCain that I don't agree with.
It was really nice to have this conversation and know that there are some people who won't vote for Obama out there who are willing to look at the actual issues and not just the fact that they don't like him and they don't try to slam him as a person.
This campaign of fear and doubt gets us too far from the real issues at stake for the next four years. It's historically a republican campaign tactic to do this in October, and in fact this happened to McCain in the primaries 8 years ago when he ran against Bush, and I hope everyone can look past all of this character assassination junk and look at the real issues. Who will help our economy more? Who will resolve our military actions? And so many more issues.
That all depends on your own views, who you think will do a better job, but to talk about fear and doubt for unfounded things in an election this important is not productive.
I must agree with you and I am not voting against Obama because I don't like him but I just don't like his policies. I don't know him personally so I couldn't judge him on that. I definitely don't have a problem with his race. In fact if he were republican he'd have my vote. I just can't vote for anyone who is democrat really. I just see things differently when it comes to running the country.
McCain is not perfect by any means but I do agree with a lot of what he stands for.