How did the debate go?

3mnkids1 said:
amyshulk said:
3mnkids1 said:
they voted yes.. 241 no 163 didnt vote 26

final vote 263 yes no 171.. its done.. wall street gets bailed out..the little guy gets screwed.
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Oh well. At least they dumped the pork, right???
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ahhhh.. no. not really.. I just love the mental health part of the bill.. why is that in there? its stupid.
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I missed that - hmm, enter my sweeps or try to comprehend {and not disinegrate in a puddle of RAGE :whistle:} this bill?





































Sweeps it is!!! :laughing: :crazytongue:
 
See, that mental health tack on is why nothing ever gets done. Things need to change. Did you know, they could write legislation to ban the use of cell phones on federal highways and a member of congress has the right to tack on an amendment seeking a dogs right to vote. It's a joke!

The senate, the congress, the White House, it's a mockery! Maybe we should have the 200 billion person march. That's the people in the middle class that are not poor enough for services, not rich enough to not worry and struggle every day to put food on the table, gas in the cars and pray to heat their homes.

Shame on the government. We are America! Let's take the pride back! :headbang:
 
I'm not trying to get anyone riled up, but I can't jump on the "earmarks are evil" bandwagon.

(1) Earmarks are the currency of the Congress. A lot of great bills would never pass without bringing folks on board with earmarks they want.
(2) Many earmarks are actually stuff we want, either personally or as a nation - say fixing up a state park or (in this case) allowing those of us who pay higher sales tax because we don't have state income tax to take that off our taxes instead (we had this but it was going away).
(3) Earmarks in total make up a small part of the budget. Even in the list given, much of the "lost money" was money that wasn't coming in now, but was slated to start soon - like my extra taxes when the sales tax deduction ended.
(4) It would tie up Congress if they had to vote separately for every thing.

Sure the system could use some overhaul and restraint, but earmarks as a rule are not "evil" in my opinion.

BTW, I sort of like the mental health provision. I thought it was strange before that insurance companies could cover mental health treatment less than regular medical care. Maybe some people could get treatment other than more pills to pop from their MD. But then, I have a bad history with insurance companies, so I don't mind if they make less money.
 
I'd love to know how Palin feels about Tina
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Palin, who was on a campaign plane at the time, had watched and, through a spokeswoman, declared it "quite funny, particularly because she once dressed up as Tina Fey for Halloween."

Palin elaborates for Hannity: She watched, but she didn't listen. That's because she had "the volume all the way down." Later, she reiterates: "Again, didn't hear a word she said..."

Still, she offers a rave: "I thought it was hilarious. I thought she was spot on."
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:scratch:
 
But, earmarks are also responsible for torpedoing important legislation!
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Absolutely. As I said, they have flaws and could be improved, but getting rid of them won't solve all the problems.

I guess I am just tired of this oversimplification in politics (and other parts of life too). I'm to the point that if someone tries to tell me there is an easy solution to what is obviously a complicated issue, I figure they are either lying to trick me or trying to sell me something (or both). As we say in our house - "Life is Hard"! :crazytongue:
 
annielouise said:
I'd love to know how Palin feels about Tina
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Palin, who was on a campaign plane at the time, had watched and, through a spokeswoman, declared it "quite funny, particularly because she once dressed up as Tina Fey for Halloween."

Palin elaborates for Hannity: She watched, but she didn't listen. That's because she had "the volume all the way down." Later, she reiterates: "Again, didn't hear a word she said..."

Still, she offers a rave: "I thought it was hilarious. I thought she was spot on."
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:scratch:
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More nonsense rambling from her. :popcorn: she thought she was spot on but had the volume all the way down? how would she know?..

I cringe everytime she opens her mouth.
 
I think this one goes to Obama. :headbang:

I think he looked great, and he sounded like he knew where the regular folks are coming from while McCain seemed out of touch and old fashioned.. that being said I thought McCains closing statement was great and if he would talk like that more often, If he would just let his hair down so to speak and just be himself he would be doing better in the polls.

I think Obama won on health care and the economy while McCain's strong point is foreign policy.. I dont think anything new was discussed so Im not sure uncommitted voters will be swayed either way.
 
I didn't see a clear-cut winner on this one. If you already like Obama, you'll feel that Obama did better. If you're a McCain supporter, you'll feel that McCain did a better job of making his points. I don't know how this all played with undecided voters.

I did notice stylist differences that I thought were interesting. Of course, both of them did their best to redirect any question to highlight something they wanted to talk about. It seemed to me that McCain started most of his responses with a generic, "I get it, Friends", then launched into an answer. In the beginning of his responses, he fumbled words a bit as he sorted out what he wanted to say. Obama substituted stall tactics like "aaaaand" for the word fumbles and took slightly longer to get on track. By the time each of them wrapped up what they wanted to say, they had made their points and sounded confident.
 
I watched about a half hour or so of it and then went to bed. I think it's funny how McCain is now trying to throw Bush under the bus so as not to seem connected to him in any way. He's such a maverick! *wink*

I see some people making a stink over McCain calling Obama "that one." I'm kinda up in the air over it. I mean, it is a debate after all. I wouldn't have been offended if it were me he was referring to. But McCain's been known for having a bad temper and being very insulting. Much like me so who am I to judge?! :laughing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkykrDu32Wo
 
Couldn't watch it myself, although TiVo recorded it. Too much stress in my life right now to sit through another debate!

But here is what I found:

A CBS poll poll of 516 uncommitted voters taken just after the event showed that 40% thought that Obama won and 26% said McCain won. On the all-important issue of the economy, Obama got a boost. Before the event 55% thought he would make the right decisions on the economy; afterwards it was 68%. McCain also gained strength, going from 41% to 48%. On the issue of who best understands the voters needs, Obama went from 59% to 80% and McCain went from 33% to 44%.

CNN also ran a poll of 675 adults and also concluded that Obama won. Here 54% said Obama performed better and 30% said McCain did. The people polled thought Obama was the more intelligent person by 57% to 25% and expressed his views more clearly 60% to 30%. In a way, these numbers are not surprising. Obama has degrees from two Ivy League schools and was president of the Harvard Law Review. McCain went to the Naval Academy and came in 894th out of 899 students in his class.
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Interesting article from Rolling Stone about McCain: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain Certainly not unbiased in the opinion areas, but the facts are there (many which I already knew from other sources).

And if you need something to calm you down, follow Sarah Vowell's example and read - http://www.mhric.org/fdr/fdr.html - the transcripts from FDRs fireside chats. They are surprising relevant today!
 
annielouise said:
Couldn't watch it myself, although TiVo recorded it. Too much stress in my life right now to sit through another debate!

But here is what I found:

A CBS poll poll of 516 uncommitted voters taken just after the event showed that 40% thought that Obama won and 26% said McCain won. On the all-important issue of the economy, Obama got a boost. Before the event 55% thought he would make the right decisions on the economy; afterwards it was 68%. McCain also gained strength, going from 41% to 48%. On the issue of who best understands the voters needs, Obama went from 59% to 80% and McCain went from 33% to 44%.

CNN also ran a poll of 675 adults and also concluded that Obama won. Here 54% said Obama performed better and 30% said McCain did. The people polled thought Obama was the more intelligent person by 57% to 25% and expressed his views more clearly 60% to 30%. In a way, these numbers are not surprising. Obama has degrees from two Ivy League schools and was president of the Harvard Law Review. McCain went to the Naval Academy and came in 894th out of 899 students in his class.
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Interesting article from Rolling Stone about McCain: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain Certainly not unbiased in the opinion areas, but the facts are there (many which I already knew from other sources).

And if you need something to calm you down, follow Sarah Vowell's example and read - http://www.mhric.org/fdr/fdr.html - the transcripts from FDRs fireside chats. They are surprising relevant today!
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I have to say the Rolling Stone article didn't surprise me. He's a selfish, arrogant man who needs to be put down like an old, sick dog.

I clicked on a couple of the titles in the fireside chats link. History repeating itself. definately food for thought!
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/06/AR2008100602935.html

I'm going to dare say McCain and Palin are racists. They insist on feeding their follwers that Obama hangs with terrorists and that he supports terrorists and their acts and are insinuating he's a terrorist also. And not only that, Palin has riled up a crowd just recently where people were using racial slurs and insulting camera men with the like! I'm assuming that's OK in their book because they aren't trying to stop it. I'm just completely disgusted. It's revolting.

Worse, Palin's routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric's questions for her "less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media." At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."
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The reception had been better in Clearwater, where Palin, speaking to a sea of "Palin Power" and "Sarahcuda" T-shirts, tried to link Obama to the 1960s Weather Underground. "One of his earliest supporters is a man named Bill Ayers," she said. ("Boooo!" said the crowd.) "And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,' " she continued. ("Boooo!" the crowd repeated.)

"Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience.
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OMG, really? If I was curious before I definately understand their definition of a "dirty" compaign now.
 
I heard that speech on the radio - your quote leaves the huge "boo" from the crowd when she mentioned The New York Times. If they are only getting the extreme right to attend their functions (the type of people in that crowd) then they have already lost. And, honestly, if anyone moderate was in that crowd, they likely would have been turned off by the ugliness displayed.
 
Its obvious that McCain thinks Obama is beneath him. Look at his body language, how he doesnt look at Obama, doesnt want to shake his hand.. says things like "that one".. If you just take one of these things it would be nothing.. add them all up and its starting to look like McCain is a man that is disgusted that this black man is beating him. :nono:

As to palin.. she is an idiot.. She whips these people into a frenzy with her lies and innuendos.. She isnt clever enough to hide what she is really saying.

They cant attack him on the issues so they try to appeal to people who only go by what they hear the candidate say.. they don't do their own research.. Obama cant be trusted.. What do we know about Obama..*cough* *Muslim*.*cough* *terrorist*.. puhleeeze...

And cindy McCain saying obama is running the dirtiest campaign in history... what? is she insane? They have both done their share of mud slinging.
 
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